I honestly wonder when, if ever, we will get to the point that ICE is met with solid resistance that keeps pouring in and refuses to let them leave without shots being fired.
I wonder if we will get to the point where ICE gets met with armed resistance.
I wonder if we will get to the point where regular citizens see an ICE raid, call up their local militia, and take up arms to protect our fellow citizens from kidnapping, torture, and death.
I wonder how long, if ever, before Canada opens itself to refugees fleeing persecution in the US, and a new underground railroad is established to get POC and LGBTQ+ to the saner land up north…
This is where we are headed. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to go back and relearn their ww2 history.
Also an important distinction since the rhetoric from conservative talking heads recently has been that only citizens deserve habeas corpus, so the extrajudicial deportations are okay.
Unfortunately, I fear that that the first 3 options would lead to something similar to a Waco-ATF incident. Civilians simply cannot surmount a force that has permission to use modern military equipment against the populace. It would be far more likely that the city would be burned to the ground, and each “law enforcer” would be acquitted in a federal court.
I do believe there is a possibility that a hostile public would make things difficult for ICE, but realistically protected emigration would be the most successful solution. Even though I dont want to leave California, I may have to emigrate with the others to stay alive.
It’s not like they would have to win pitched battles with the military. If one ICE agent was shot every few days somewhere, it might become hard to recruit.
I bet that ICE are inherently cowards. Racists can’t take the heat, because their whole ideology is rooted in fear of the minority doing…something, anything, really.
I don’t think they are active equivalents. Unlike that situation, this is home field for both sides - with key infrastructure and intelligence data held extensively by the aggressor. The populace is not motivated or unified in ways that a populace defending against a foreign invader would.
While the technological gap may be somewhat different, the ability to conceal equipment is very limited by the defenders. It is unlikely that the aggressors would “withdraw” from the area as well, since their command would not tolerate losing a key economic and strategic location for the US (California has numerous military installations and production facilities). It is far more likely that ICE/Federal forces would double down.
Granted, this is from my perspective as an engineer who is trained in analyzing problems through a systems and logistics mindset. I don’t know how passion or the human psyche would play into this.
I still believe these are not apt comparisons though.
I honestly wonder when, if ever, we will get to the point that ICE is met with solid resistance that keeps pouring in and refuses to let them leave without shots being fired.
I wonder if we will get to the point where ICE gets met with armed resistance.
I wonder if we will get to the point where regular citizens see an ICE raid, call up their local militia, and take up arms to protect our fellow citizens from kidnapping, torture, and death.
I wonder how long, if ever, before Canada opens itself to refugees fleeing persecution in the US, and a new underground railroad is established to get POC and LGBTQ+ to the saner land up north…
This is where we are headed. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to go back and relearn their ww2 history.
Forgive the pedantic nitpicking, but we are so much more than our relationship to a state
Otherwise, excellent comment
Also an important distinction since the rhetoric from conservative talking heads recently has been that only citizens deserve habeas corpus, so the extrajudicial deportations are okay.
That would be our relationship with each other if we were self-governing
Unfortunately, I fear that that the first 3 options would lead to something similar to a Waco-ATF incident. Civilians simply cannot surmount a force that has permission to use modern military equipment against the populace. It would be far more likely that the city would be burned to the ground, and each “law enforcer” would be acquitted in a federal court.
I do believe there is a possibility that a hostile public would make things difficult for ICE, but realistically protected emigration would be the most successful solution. Even though I dont want to leave California, I may have to emigrate with the others to stay alive.
It’s not like they would have to win pitched battles with the military. If one ICE agent was shot every few days somewhere, it might become hard to recruit.
I bet that ICE are inherently cowards. Racists can’t take the heat, because their whole ideology is rooted in fear of the minority doing…something, anything, really.
I heard someone reply to that argument once with, “ask The Taliban”. I’m not sure I agree. But it did make me think.
I don’t think they are active equivalents. Unlike that situation, this is home field for both sides - with key infrastructure and intelligence data held extensively by the aggressor. The populace is not motivated or unified in ways that a populace defending against a foreign invader would.
While the technological gap may be somewhat different, the ability to conceal equipment is very limited by the defenders. It is unlikely that the aggressors would “withdraw” from the area as well, since their command would not tolerate losing a key economic and strategic location for the US (California has numerous military installations and production facilities). It is far more likely that ICE/Federal forces would double down.
Granted, this is from my perspective as an engineer who is trained in analyzing problems through a systems and logistics mindset. I don’t know how passion or the human psyche would play into this.
I still believe these are not apt comparisons though.
I honestly don’t think Americans have it in them to do any sort of serious resistance.