• rarWars@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    11 hours ago

    I respectfully disagree. There’s nothing inherently preventing a future technology that’s able to objectively measure personal experiences, since we don’t have any evidence to suggest that thoughts and experiences happen anywhere other than physically in the brain.

    Thus-far unobserved spirits are an unnecessary addition to the neurochemical processes we know to occur in the brain and know to drive thinking. By Occam’s Razor, an evidence-based worldview must reject these unnecessary assumptions.

    Also, no, science is not “filling gaps in spirituality”. The claim that there are spirits is the positive case, and bears the burden of proof.

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      10 hours ago

      You assume I mean spirits that physically exist separately from people. I do not. You have missed my point entirely.

      Even the simple question of what the experience of color is like is totally beyond empiricism.

      Not everything has a scientific answer, and that’s ok.

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        7 hours ago

        Oh, ok. I still think we might be able to measure such things in the future, but that’s a much more defensible position. I don’t see how that pertains to spiritualism tho, maybe there’s a term that fits that better. Belief in qualia?

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          2 hours ago

          I’m not really talking about belief so much as the fact that people need nourishment in unmeasurable ways: love, wonder, etc. I don’t think it makes sense to exclude that from spirituality. I have found that ‘spirituality = supernatural’ is unnecessarily reductive.

          But, at the end of the day it’s just individual perspective as to what constitutes the spiritual.