• RighteousAnger@lemm.ee
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        Inexcusable? War of religions? My man, you have an entirely wrong, oversimplified view of events and takes on it. Do you understand Israel is a Western colonial project founded by the English and French a loooong time ago that has, since its conception, been nothing but murderous? It’s given the locals the easy choice of leaving or dying, so any anti-Israeli force are just resistance fighters against an ongoing occupation. I mean, for God’s sake, Israelis are nothing but a mix/groups of Eastern Europeans and Germanics, easily visible but also evidenced in their last names! Netanyahu’s actual last name before he changed it is Mileikowsky, for instance, but that’s a better sounding last name for the optics of invasion, right?

        Ask yourself this question: should they simply lower their heads and submit by leaving their homes and letting the Godless, amoral colonizer finally win it all? What about the murder and willing sacrifice of their forefathers, siblings and descendants? What would you do, if your country was invaded by a group of violent savages? What’s the moral thing to do here, to be on the side of the oppressed until they vanquish the oppressors or to be on the side of the oppressor because, well, idk, they look like me and Muslims are scary? C’mon man.

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    As a Jewish person I have personally experienced more antisemitism and general hate from zionists than any antizionist

    ANTIZIONISM =/= ANTISEMITISM

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      Yeah, I have no problem with any people in general. But I’ve got lots and lots of problems with Jews, Muslims, Russians, Belgians, the Swiss, Kenyans, brunettes, Inuits or anyone else when they decide to invade countries for the purposes of removing their people and moving in their own.

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      In my final years on the right, I’ve read a Hungarian blog post titled “Unpopular opinion: the answer to the Jewish question is Israel”, and it not only begun with the worst “I’m not antisemitic, some great people were Jewish, but” (except multiple paragraphs), but also talked about how Jewish people are unfit to “live alongside with non-Jews”, and that the solution to all of it to let Israel have all of Palestine and maybe some other smaller Arabic countries as their population can just live in other countries like Saudi-Arabia (the same blog also regularly whined about the Treaty of Trianon, so…), and then the “peaceful deportations” can begin.

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        A lidel an’ alte fun undzere sonim “A geto deym eybigen Jid!”

        Effectuvely translates to:

        An old story we’ve heard from our enemies, “A ghetto for the eternal kyke!”

        • In Zaltsikn Yam, S. Ansky, ~1901

        Never let a zionist lie to you that it was ever consensus among Jews to relocate to a new ghetto.

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        Thats because for the most part counties that committed horrific acts (ex: Germany, UK, China, France, etc) are well established countries or (ex: US, Canada, Australia) have had colonial rule for so long they’ve become established. Meanwhile if you compare Israel to other settler colonial counties like Rhodesia you’ll find that they collapsed the second apartheid rule ended.

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      I only came around to see it a few days ago. How do these people not realize the insanity of it all? Going to an university event and fake crying on stage how you would feel threatened on campus by a motion for the university to stop investing in weapons manufacturers because your handlers told you to do it. Events where you kept being told to go to the army is the greatest way you could serve your people…

      No matter what is going on in the world. My security in a place simply does not depend on that place having investments in my favorite weapons manufacturers. If that was the case for any human anywhere in the world that human would never be able to leave his home. Which in the case of American Zionists would be a good thing. Stay at home in Michigan, Ohio or wherever you life and don’t go stealing other peoples homes halfway across the globe. Or go wherever you want in the world as long as you buy or rent from the legitimate owner.

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      Zionists are people who support the ethnic state that is Israel. A large portion of Zionists are Christian Evangelicals from the US.

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        It’s worth pointing out that the reasons they support Israel as an ethnostate are largely two-fold

        1. They believe that a restored Jewish state in Palestine is a sign of Jesus’s return, meaning they’ll get raptured soon.

        2. They want Jewish people out of “their” country.

        Zionism has a long history of antisemitism despite the apparent contradiction.

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          I dont give two shites about “antisemitism”. The word has become meaningless. It just means “whatever the zionists want”.

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          Exactly, many Nazis also find the idea of sending jews to the desert to be a preferable way of “dealing” with them. Fascists supporting fascists I suppose.

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        The vast majority of Zionists are Christian Evangelicals from the US.

        That’s not true; Europe has pretty sizeable numbers too, and supposed liberal Zionists exist all over the West in large numbers. Screw them all, but let’s not pretend Zionists only have sway with one religious group.

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      Zionism is often defined as the belief that the state of Israel should exist. Zionists tend to have strong anti-Palestinian sentiments and support atrocities against them.

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        Zionism is a political movement whichs objects have changed over the course of its 150 years existence. Most early Zionists, even the vile ones who embraced ethnic cleansing as crucial to obtain “their” state had their goals fulfilled in 1948. Ever since then the movement kept radicalizing to keep justifying more ethnic cleansing, land stealing, genocide and assorted crimes that come with being an expansionist imperial ideology.

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          Most early Zionists, even the vile ones who embraced ethnic cleansing as crucial to obtain “their” state had their goals fulfilled in 1948.

          Yeah… no. Ben Gurion is on record saying “we should accept partition as an intermediary step towards Jewish conquest of all of Palestine” multiple times. Zionism has always been like this; Zionists have simply deluded themselves and everyone else into thinking early Zionism wasn’t exactly the same stuff as modern Zionism, just with better PR and more democracy for the master race. The reason Zionists didn’t conquer and ethnically cleanse all of Palestine is Arab intervention to stop exactly that from happening.